The harder you push them on track (with the right setup), the better they perform. However, the rubber compound is a bit harder (100 treadwear for the R888R versus 40 treadwear for the RR). If I know you, I'll pass you with dead hookers in the trunk, and cocaine in the center console. Maximum Pressure: 50 pounds, Toyo describes the R888R (commonly referred to as the R-Triple 8-R) as a tire that “features an R-compound tread that quickly reaches operating temperature and provides high-grip levels for maximum cornering traction. In turn, this tread rating mixed with approximately 6/32″ tread depth and an aggressive tread design likely wouldn’t fare as well in wet weather, as this tire is meant to shine in dry conditions on the race track. (Photo: Jane Absalom). Just finished up a set of Eagle F1 Supercar 3R. I have not done back to back testing on the tires you mentioned. For our Toyo Proxes R888R test, we again used our Racepak Vantage to look at data, create track maps, and see the improved performance from the tires. The RA1 and R888 both use the same rubber compound as the R1R. “I could feel the edge of adhesion approaching, so I always knew where the limit was. All of this fun thanks to Toyo Tires, and we earned some Toyo Bucks in the process because we had our requisite Toyo Tires decals on the Miata at the track. It only took about half a lap for the grip to start coming in, another lap later and the tires were well within their operating temperature range. I was considering star specs or re11 but no one has them in stock and I may need them for this Sunday. I only had 1 track day on them and I can say compare to the RE-11, the RS-3 has much more dry grip, and hotter the temp, the better. Tell him I told you to call. Although I didn’t get anywhere close to wearing the R888R rubber down to the cord, they did have to endure through three on-track sessions, and thus three heat cycles. Treadwear: 100 Shawn was again our test pilot driving his Miata. I'm very happy with his recommendation. They feel pretty good so far and the highway so I will look forward to trying them tomorrow. Shawn Brereton was our wheelman for this event, and he found the tires very predictable. My thinking is Ford tuned the stock Perf Pack 1 suspension to run staggered wheels (I've made no changes to suspension), so I should stick with this even with bigger tires. The SM6 is now required for SCCA Spec Miata while NASA is still using the RA1s until 2015 which is how long the current Toyo/NASA contract is.[/quote']. At the end of each day of tire testing with the Toyo Proxes RR and the Toyo Proxes R888R, we were thrilled. Here's a little difference between the two companies. These tires won’t surprise you with a sudden loss of traction. Call him tomorrow. A 285 NT01 is fantastic on a 10" if that's what you had planned on running. Thanks for the responses. However, some of that could be attributed to a damp autocross parking lot surface versus a dedicated road course. Then it will remain nice and sticky, allowing you to carry lots of speed through corners, and hopefully win some races. The internal structure of the R888R is very similar to the RR. He is a multi-national champion racing driver and is also the author of the novel, Cadet Blues. #2 Toyo's tread patterns are designed by engineers from day one while most of nitto's spend time in design studios first and then worked by engineers to optimize. Those four black donuts on your wheels are what translates everything you want to do with your car to the reality of the road. There is plenty of warning, which is nice.”. If Paul isn't in for some reason, call back when he's there. He's a good guy and can help match you to the right tire if you tell him what you're looking for. Keep in mind- if this was the only alignment you had done on your brand new Zl1-1LE, the alignment will walk considerably after your first time on track. As scary as this was, this dodge move was effortless compared to how many other cars may have handled the situation. Compounds are the same, but the tread pattern on the R888 is better (Toyo and Nitto are the same company). My plan is to use 295 front / 305 rear tires (so pretty close to square). Im also new to the RS-3. I'm installing ZL1 1LE sized wheels > 19 X 11 and 19 X 12. No experience with the NT01’s but the seem to be popular enough. Currently, it is the spec tire for NASA Camaro-Mustang Challenge, Honda Challenge, Spec E30, and Spec Miata. I don't know how good his pricing is on it, but he's always been best of every tire I've checked. The wider you go, the more crucial the amount of camber is to get the most out of the tire and not destroy the outer edges. The Racepak provided us live lap timing, g-forces, and miles per hour. I've autocrossed and tracked RE-11. These tires are not for the faint of heart. They started sticking after the first couple of turns, and I was able to hammer on them after that. I called looking for a tire for my TDI Cup, and he talked me out of the one I was asking for since he understood my needs compared to the tire I was requesting. Shawn was extremely happy that he (well, his buddy Chris) bolted on a fresh set of Toyo Proxes RR tires because his car was faster on track immediately. When temperatures get too hot for the tire, beyond 220-degrees Fahrenheit, then they can provide a slick feel. I have a set of NT01's ordered and will try them next. In the more recent D’Garage articles revolving around the 2016 Mazda MX-5 Miata, we utilized the popular Toyo Proxes R1R tires with great success. LS1GTO.com is a forum community dedicated to the LS1 Pontiac GTO. The rubber is exactly the same. He may talk you out of the tire you think you want. update: I just called. Camber will stay pretty stable, but toe will change significnatly... generally towards understeer. Maximum Pressure: 51 pounds, Toyo says these tires do not need to be shaved. They are 205 50 15 and feel better than the Falken Azenis I had on there. Drivers who use the RR, and have Toyo Tires stickers on their car, can earn Toyo Bucks, which helps buy tires for the next event. Come discuss mods, horsepower, engine specs and more! You'll probably be able to get them purchased, shipped, then mounted, for less than you can purchase them from most other places, even online. ^ R888s are a bad idea IMHO unless you understand how limited their life is. While I expect their lateral grip to be excellent as well, I don’t have any track experience with them but they have done great on cloverleaf on/off ramps. https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/wheel-spacer-vs-wheel-offset.107781/#post-2315616, Michelin pilot sport 4S vs Nitto nt05 vs Toyo R888R. At the end of each day of tire testing with the Toyo Proxes RR and the Toyo Proxes R888R, we were thrilled. You can throw all the upgrades you want at any given car, but their effectiveness is limited by the rubber that holds the car to the ground. On the RR, we earned a podium finish in a Spec Miata road race at MIR. All other photos: Shawn Brereton). I have 19x10 front and 19x11 rear wheels, they bolt on without any spacers. I'm going to need to order a set within the next 6 weeks. However, tires are becoming more advanced in different specialties of use such as off-road, daily driving in winter or summer, or various forms of motorsport. I am planning on picking up a set of new tires tomorrow....has anyone ever used the the R1R on the track or autocross? The R888Rs, however, provided ample feedback through the car and to the wheel to let me know when they had enough. We will safeguard your e-mail and only send content you request. We wanted to test the Toyo Proxes R888R in a wet setting, so when the clouds darkened, we headed to an SCCA autocross to dodge some cones and see how the tires did. I’ll give up a tenth of a second for that any day!”. The 3Rs don't lose grip as they get hotter towards the end of a session. Sure, they're a Hoosier...! Online stores tend to do that a lot (especially eBay sellers). For our tire test on our Project CrossTime Mazda Miata, we started at 26 pounds cold, knowing as the tire warmed up, the pressure would increase within the range (32 to 38 pounds) that Marc Sanzenbacher from Toyo recommended. I’m talking summer days in CA as I’m sure they are crap in cold or wet days. Shawn, on the R888R, took First Place in the CSP class and then finished Third overall for the entire field, which is an impressive statistic. The results of the Toyo Proxes RR test was, “They were great.” Of course, Shawn thought they were great, they helped him get a Spec Miata trophy, and he earned Toyo Bucks for finishing in the top three. I have the total hook-up for you. FYI, I use to work for Toyo, did a lot of testing on both. I think if I changed the camber plates between events. The only question was, with the slick design of the RR, what would Shawn do should light rain be in the forecast? 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He set the pressures at 26 pounds for the first set of runs and immediately went hard and fast around the course to find the limits of the R888R. I just did a bunch of research on this and ended up going with NT01s. While you're on hold, several people will pick up the call, but wait for Paul. Senior Manager of Motorsports at Toyo Tires, Marc Sanzenbacher, provided recommendations for tire pressure for the RR, “This tire likes to be between 32 and 38 pounds, hot.”. They're cheap, streetable, and are close enough to R comps on the track for me. “The tire was very easy to drive on,” said Shawn. From a spec miata driver on TrackMidwest: The best value/grip you can get out there is the SM6 Hoosier for $166 each direct from Hoosier. The tread compound is molded into an aggressive, asymmetric tread pattern with massive outboard shoulder blocks to provide the lateral grip needed when driving on the track.”. And that is a major factor for me because I know I will need more road course tires before the end of the season, and I can’t afford a second set for autocross, too. Good news again from Toyo: they have that covered with the Toyo Proxes R888R. We wear through them quickly, we always want more, and there are way too many options in the market to keep track of. We only ran them for a season then all of us drivers hated them so much we got SCCA to dump em. You'll be substantially slower than people on Cup2's or RE71R's for those two laps. Sign up for a new account in our community.
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